Job 34:1-36:33 + 2 Corinthians 4:1-12 + Psalm 44:1-8 + Proverbs 22:10-12
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Old Testament – Elihu continues his strong discourse from yesterday! There is a lot of good stuff in his words today. Chapter 34 verse 12 is awesome – “There is no truer statement than this: God will not do wrong. The Almighty cannot twist justice.” I pray you believe this verse to be very true…? In chapter 35 the beginning of verse 26 really stood out to me – “Look, God is exalted beyond what we can understand.” This is a powerful verse to meditate upon. It is so true! Certainly in this life we can know many things about God. We can read God’s Words in the Bible. We can surrender our lives to God’s perfect Son, Jesus. We can allow God’s Holy Spirit to live in our hearts. And yet, even after all of this, isn’t God still exalted beyond what we can understand? This is beautiful to think about. Beautiful to know. We will not fully understand God this side of heaven. But I do think we can certainly begin to know more and more about God and His holy love and righteousness and grace as we go through our lives. God’s glory is so immense that we have a lifetime of adventure before us as we learn and experience more and more of God’s glory. And then, as we pass on to the other side of this life, there is an eternity with God! The God of all glory. Who is exalted beyond what we can fully understand this side of heaven. Preach it Elihu!

New Testament – I love Second Corinthians chapter 4 verse 1 today. In fact, if there is nothing else you remember from today’s readings I hope you will remember the last 4 words of this verse always – “And so, since God in his mercy has given us this wonderful ministry, we never give up.” We never give up. That is powerful for each of us to remember. Why? Because we will have good and bad days. Days when we are happy. Days when we might be feeling sad. And there will be days when we make mistakes. When we will stumble. When we will fall. But you know what has often gotten me through days like those? This simple prayer or statement or something that fortunately comes into my mind – “I’m not giving up!” We shouldn’t say this as justification for our falling short of God’s plan for our life. But, when we do fall short, I have found it helpful. Or, if I haven’t fallen short, but bad stuff is happening to me, I say it. And I don’t say it just to myself – as if my own will power will get me through the tough times. I say it to God. I say it really as a prayer. I say it almost as a statement against the devil, who would love nothing more than for us to give up. The devil would love it if we stumbled and stayed on the ground. If we decided this Christianity thing was just not for us. But you know what – don’t give up! When times are tough. When you stumble, pray it to God – “I’m not giving up.” Tell it to yourself. We’re not giving up! We’re never giving up…. (go frog!) 🙂

Verse 7 today is indeed a wonderful reminder that we humans are but jars of clay – “But this precious treasure–this light and power that now shine within us–is held in perishable containers, that is, in our weak bodies. So everyone can see that our glorious power is from God and is not our own.'” We really do have very fragile bodies. They are wonderful! But they are fragile. They break. They will die. As one writer puts it, “our condition is terminal.” And it’s true. This side of heaven, our bodies will eventually wear out. But – as Paul tells us in this verse – there is light and power that shines within us when we are in relationship with Jesus! The Holy Spirit indwells our earthen vessels. Our jars of clay. And hopefully we and others recognize that the glory within us is not our own. It is of God. And it is a glory that is available to anyone. Free of charge. It is grace and it beckons us to receive God’s glory in our jars of clay so that we will live eternally in heavenly bodies. But for now, we are simply in the hands of the Potter…

Psalms – Psalm 44 verse 3 is a wise statement about where the Israelites and our true strength and victory in life comes from – “They did not conquer the land with their swords; it was not their own strength that gave them victory. It was by your mighty power that they succeeded; it was because you favored them and smiled on them.” As you look back on your life and at the good things that have happened to you, do you think that these things occurred because of your own power or work alone? Or, do you think it is possible that God’s hand was blessing your life through all of those good things – even if maybe you did not notice God was there at the time?

Proverbs – Proverbs 22 verse 12 is convicting – “The LORD preserves knowledge, but he ruins the plans of the deceitful.” This Proverb reminds me that we truly need to examine our motives. Why do we do what we do? Why do we give? Why do we love? Why do we volunteer? And this list goes on. And I think we need to continually pray that we are doing what we do for pure motives. Not for any hidden agendas. Let us not let our left hand know what our right hand is doing. Because, if we are acting with hidden agendas – selfish motives – it is deceitful. Deceitful to others and deceitful to ourselves. We may be tricking ourselves into thinking we are doing something for pure motives when truly there is a selfish agenda in the shadows. God’s grace and love and knowledge can of course heal us of our impure motives. And this indeed may be a process over the course of our lifetime. I guess this Proverb jumped out at me because I am realizing that there are times when I do not act with pure motives – particularly when it comes to doing something that on the surface looks good. I am unfortunately oftentimes subconsciously looking for some glory. And ultimately, I know that selfish plans will fail. They will be ruined. How about you? Why do you do what you do? Why do you give? Why do you love? Why do you volunteer? Is it all for the glory of God? Or is there any hint of wanting your own glory?

Worship Video: Today’s readings in Second Corinthians about “Jars of Clay” reminds me of this Jars of Clay 🙂 song called “Two Hands:”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUBn1_A_XPU
How are you using your two hands? Click here to raise them High!
Please join us in memorizing and meditating on two verses of Scripture today: “We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.” 2 Corinthians 4:8-9 NIV
Prayer Point: Pray that though you may be hard pressed on every side that you will not be crushed, through your saving faith in Jesus. Pray that that though you may find times in your life that you are perplexed, that you will not despair. Pray that if you are ever persecuted, you will not feel abandoned, but know that Jesus holds you in His hands.
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Mike
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======= Ramona:
Job 34:1-36:33
“Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do wickedness, from the Almighty to do evil.
(Job 34:10 NET.)
Elihu is absolutely correct in his assessment; however, he like Job and his friends assume that it was God that brought this turn of events upon Job. Like all tests given to people the test maker devises the test to measure how well the person has learned the lessons. However, in Job’s case, in our case, God is not the one who creates the tests, the devil and our own sins create the trials and temptations we encounter; however, God uses those trials as tests. He, God doesn’t have to tests us because he knows everything about us, the one who needs the information the test scores brings is US and possibly the devil.
If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small, (Proverbs 24:10 AMP) so the writer of Proverbs states. Crises do not come to take us out; they come to reveal the cracks. Growth comes by way of crises, plans come by way of crises and truth, the truth about ourselves come by way of crises. All truth is confrontational especially the truth about ourselves.
Now why did I go off on that tangent?
ELIHU PROCEEDED and said, Bear with me and wait a little longer, and I will show you, for I have something still to say on God’s behalf. (Job 36:1-2 AMP)
Are Elihu’s words presumptuous here, not forgetting that he is sort of a Blow-Hard, but does God really need us to speak, work on His behalf? Has God become senile, has He become weak? What we “do” for God I believe God alowss us to do, He always us to be Co-laborers with Him and in that we should be blessed and in awe of His graciousness and His mercy.
Hmmm, the process of evaporation was known back in the 10th century B.C., Just a little side note.
Behold, God is great, and we know Him not! The number of His years is unsearchable. [I Cor. 13:12.] For He draws up the drops of water, which distil as rain from His vapor, Which the skies pour down and drop abundantly upon [the multitudes of] mankind. (Job 36:26-28 AMP)
II Corinthians 4:1-12
I like this,
Since God has so generously let us in on what he is doing, we’re not about to throw up our hands and walk off the job just because we run into occasional hard times. We refuse to wear masks and play games. We don’t maneuver and manipulate behind the scenes. And we don’t twist God’s Word to suit ourselves. Rather, we keep everything we do and say out in the open, the whole truth on display, so that those who want to can see and judge for themselves in the presence of God. (2 Corinthians 4:1-2 MSG)
I love Paul’s integrity, his faith in God and His Word, his faith in the completed work of Jesus Christ on the cross can be clearly seen in the first two verses of this chapter. Jesus said, “And I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me and gather them around me.” (John 12:32 MSG). Paul preached, “…nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (1 Corinthians 2:2 NET.)
Today, we have chicken dinners, great singers, bands, flash, lights, smoke and mirrors to attract folks to church. Where is the “Jesus Christ and Him crucified” message?
Do many fall away because we present a Christ that is not true, do we subvert the message because we don’t really believe in it and its power to change the lives of people? As the Newsweek article that Mike linked stated, American’s are looking for the spiritual, they want an experience with God. But is the experience we Believers are giving them is it God? No every sprit is of God.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1 NET.)
Psalm 44:1-8
In the vernacular of the masses, this Psalm can be summed up in one sentence,
It Ain’t about you, or us, it’s all about God!
Proverbs 22:10-12
Hmmm, 10 Throw out the mocker, and fighting, quarrels, and insults will disappear. Sooo does that mean if you have fighting, quarreling and insulting behavior in the midst, which is an effect then there must be a mocker as the cause. What’s going on on your job, in your home?
Does this verse go along with what is written in the Book of James?
For wherever there is jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry and selfish ambition), there will also be confusion (unrest, disharmony, rebellion) and all sorts of evil and vile practices. (James 3:16 AMP)
Grace and peace,
Ramona
======= Mary:
my friend and i are going to green pastures and we found so much encouragement relevant to our own personal situations.may godbless you with a double portion so that you can continue to feed others.
Mary
======= Jill:
thanks for the encouragement. or thank God rather, about not giving up.
Jill
======= Jeff:
I noticed Ramona’s aside about the ancient people understanding the water cycle, too. Also, the 28th chapter points out that they were well versed in the technology of underground mining and smelting of ores, and had an idea of the underground rocks being “transformed as by fire.” These old timers were no dummies. They observed nature and interpreted it wisely.
But the little gem that really catches my eye in this passage is in 35:10.
“But no one says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
who gives songs in the night,’”
What musician hasn’t awakened in the morning with a glorious musical inspiration? Something new and exciting that hadn’t previously crossed their mind? Elihu tells us where they come from! : )
Jeff
======== Art:
Psalm 44:3
This is a beautiful parable of the work of salvation. Man is not saved without prayer, repentance, etc., but none of these save man. Salvation is altogether of the Lord. Yes, its not about what we do, but rather about what the Lord does.
Art
======= Dee:
I love the stork and the frog in never giving up! Ever..and where Elihu spoke from his head instead of his heart.
All in all good story
Dee
======= John:
Job
What about Elihu?
After Job gives his last speech (ch. 31) which is basically self-vidication, he rests. Not only does Job recount the sins he did not commit, but in the last few verses claims to be environmetally and ecologically correct : )
Who is this guy? He gets six chapters, so he must be important???? Is he the mediator Job wishes for in earlier chapters? Is he the false prophet as some claim? Or is Elihu analogous to John the Baptist in that he prepares the way for the Lord in this story?
Elihu means “My God is He” or another translation “in God’s stead”. Reading ahead Elihu is not mentioned by God, but the other four are addressed. Some feel he is loving and gentle – yet very critical of Job. It is also said Elihu does not reason (like the three friends) – but reveals.
Who is Elihu?
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ELIHU
Some think Elihu is a bit of a braggart. but consider the times, and he may be just laying the platform for a “right to speak”.
Elihu says the friends are wrong by saying suffering is in correlation to unrighteousness. They offer no remedy to Job’s condition – yet they condemn Job. This condemning (judgment – “krinos”) is the kind Jesus later said we are not to do.
Job is wrong – the root problem with Job is there’s a sediment of pride in the bottom of the beaker of his life and when he’s upset by the 3….the sediment stirs up with his life of righteousness……and thats a problem – john Piper
http://www.suffering.net/piper3.htm
In Job’s self-vindication – Job has gone too far.
God is not accountable to man, but it is the other way around. How often when disasters happen do we hear people want to know “Why did God allow this?” Interesting, that when good things happen in life – I am not so sure the same people are there to thank God.
God is not his enemy. There is another reason that God punishes. Elihu feels there is a residue of pride in the righteous. Chastisement is the correction.
‘Like a surgeons knife causes pain, but the purpose is to cure.’ (John Piper)
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Some revealing statements:
God is just
Job34:12 “It is unthinkable that God would do wrong,
that the Almighty would pervert justice.”
Should there be forgiveness with no repentance?
Job34:33 Should God then reward you on your terms,
when you refuse to repent?
Elihu believes Job has added rebellion to his sin of pride.
Man brings nothing to the table.
Job 35:7-8 If you are righteous, what do you give to him,
or what does he receive from your hand?
Your wickedness affects only a man like yourself,
and your righteousness only the sons of men.
[NOTE: We can do good or bad in this world. Good or bad can be recognized by mankind. But what has this to do with standing before God? We are not perfect – thus we have no standing before God on our own merit.]
God does not answer the cries (prayers) of the wicked.
Job 35:12 He does not answer when men cry out because of the arrogance of the wicked.
[Note: I believe this is also mentioned in Proverbs. It may sound harsh, but I believe the first prayer God will heed from man is – “I am lost – save me”. Think about it – Why should God heed (he hears, but will not heed) a request from one who rejects Him? And later rejects His Son and plan of salvation?]
Again repentance is the key to forgiveness.
Job 36:10-11 He makes them listen to correction
and commands them to repent of their evil.
If they obey and serve him,
they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity
and their years in contentment.
Man rejects or accepts.
Job 36:13,15 “The godless in heart harbor resentment;
even when he fetters them, they do not cry for help….But those who suffer he delivers in their suffering;
he speaks to them in their affliction.”
God is calling you Job. He is trying to get your attention. God is not a bellhop – who is at our beck and call. Quit trying to deal with God. Treat God with the respect He deserves. Know that His wonders are beyond our comprehension. Be in awe and revere God.
John
======= John:
Job 34:1-36:33
“Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do wickedness, from the Almighty to do evil.
(Job 34:10 NET.)
Elihu is absolutely correct in his assessment; however, he like Job and his friends assume that it was God that brought this turn of events upon Job. Like all tests given to people the test maker devises the test to measure how well the person has learned the lessons. However, in Job’s case, in our case, God is not the one who creates the tests, the devil and our own sins create the trials and temptations we encounter; however, God uses those trials as tests. He, God doesn’t have to tests us because he knows everything about us, the one who needs the information the test scores brings is US and possibly the devil.
If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small, (Proverbs 24:10 AMP) so the writer of Proverbs states. Crises do not come to take us out; they come to reveal the cracks. Growth comes by way of crises, plans come by way of crises and truth, the truth about ourselves come by way of crises. All truth is confrontational especially the truth about ourselves.
Now why did I go off on that tangent?
ELIHU PROCEEDED and said, Bear with me and wait a little longer, and I will show you, for I have something still to say on God’s behalf. (Job 36:1-2 AMP)
Are Elihu’s words presumptuous here, not forgetting that he is sort of a Blow-Hard, but does God really need us to speak, work on His behalf? Has God become senile, has He become weak? What we “do” for God I believe God alowss us to do, He always us to be Co-laborers with Him and in that we should be blessed and in awe of His graciousness and His mercy.
Hmmm, the process of evaporation was known back in the 10th century B.C., Just a little side note.
Behold, God is great, and we know Him not! The number of His years is unsearchable. [I Cor. 13:12.] For He draws up the drops of water, which distil as rain from His vapor, Which the skies pour down and drop abundantly upon [the multitudes of] mankind. (Job 36:26-28 AMP)
II Corinthians 4:1-12
I like this,
Since God has so generously let us in on what he is doing, we’re not about to throw up our hands and walk off the job just because we run into occasional hard times. We refuse to wear masks and play games. We don’t maneuver and manipulate behind the scenes. And we don’t twist God’s Word to suit ourselves. Rather, we keep everything we do and say out in the open, the whole truth on display, so that those who want to can see and judge for themselves in the presence of God. (2 Corinthians 4:1-2 MSG)
I love Paul’s integrity, his faith in God and His Word, his faith in the completed work of Jesus Christ on the cross can be clearly seen in the first two verses of this chapter. Jesus said, “And I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me and gather them around me.” (John 12:32 MSG). Paul preached, “…nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (1 Corinthians 2:2 NET.)
Today, we have chicken dinners, great singers, bands, flash, lights, smoke and mirrors to attract folks to church. Where is the “Jesus Christ and Him crucified” message?
Do many fall away because we present a Christ that is not true, do we subvert the message because we don’t really believe in it and its power to change the lives of people? As the Newsweek article that Mike linked stated, American’s are looking for the spiritual, they want an experience with God. But is the experience we Believers are giving them is it God? No every sprit is of God.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1 NET.)
Psalm 44:1-8
In the vernacular of the masses, this Psalm can be summed up in one sentence,
It Ain’t about you, or us, it’s all about God!
Proverbs 22:10-12
Hmmm, 10 Throw out the mocker, and fighting, quarrels, and insults will disappear. Sooo does that mean if you have fighting, quarreling and insulting behavior in the midst, which is an effect then there must be a mocker as the cause. What’s going on on your job, in your home?
Does this verse go along with what is written in the Book of James?
For wherever there is jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry and selfish ambition), there will also be confusion (unrest, disharmony, rebellion) and all sorts of evil and vile practices. (James 3:16 AMP)
John
======= John:
2Cor4:1-12
Review
Mercy–not getting what you do deserve / withheld punishment
Grace–getting what you don’t deserve / unmerited favor
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Paul realizes that he has been shown God’s mercy. Since he is divinely called, will he also not be divinely enabled? Thus Paul can have confidence in preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Paul preached boldly (with no fear), humbly (message of the cross/it is not about mankind), truthfully, and with integrity.
[NOTE: Paul did not complain of what he did not have, but rejoiced in what he was given. Can we say the same?]
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2Cor4:4a “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers…”
Age or world can be interchanged. But – Who is the “god of this age”? Satan, the concept of false idols, or something we concentrate (and hence worship) more than God? Or “all of the above”. Realize that Satan uses idols and outside interests to detract and diminish God – anything to keep people from seeking God.
Satan has no power to blind peoples minds. God does, but Satan does not. So how does he do this “blinding” of Gentiles? Through “lies and deceit”.
John 8:44 “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” NIV
It is all a big “con” job with satan. Think about how a “con man” operates. A con man does not steal your money – he gets you to give it to him. How? By creating a scenario that is very believable (but not true), in that scenario the “con man” appeals to the “victim’s” pride, intelligence, greed,etc. The victim falls for the story, and hands over some money. In the end – the victim is separated from his money, and left with nothing.
satan works the same way. A scenario is created that comes close to God’s plan, but does not include Jesus or concept of grace. The victim has his ego stroked. Your a smart guy. You can figure this out. Doesn’t this make sense to you? In the end, one is left not separated from money – but from God.
How many people do you know that have it all figured out? Have something that works for them. Makes sense to them. Gives them a participatory role in their going to heaven. The problem is they are self-centered – focusing on what they know, what they can figure out. As long as they are looking inward for the solution, they will always be blinded. Until they turn to God and quit looking inward – they will never find the “truth”.
In essence, Satan convinces one to blind himself from the truth. That is the ultimate “con job”.
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I like in verse 6 that Paul references Genesis:
“Let light shine out of darkness”
to give us the idea that we are a new creation”.
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JARS OF CLAY
Not ming dynasty valuable vases, but jars of clay. The treasure is not the jar – it is common everyday vessel – but in what is inside the jar. So that it would be evident to anyone who had eyes to see that the work was being done by the power of God, not the power of the vessel.
Paul keeps refering to the death of and life in Christ. If we did not have Christ’s death we would not be able to have the “life in Him”. The two are intertwined.
I need to keep an eye on this next year in readings, but a commentator mentioned – whenever Christ talked about his coming death in the Gospels – he also always refered to the resurrection. The two go hand in hand.
Missed this back in Matthew
Matt6:13
“And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.” NIV
I always thought a later scribe added “one” after evil – from the scribe’s own line of thought for clarification.
Turns out that “evil” in Greek is “poneros” and it is being used in the nominative case in this verse. Jesus is naming/giving a title to “evil”.
“The word is used in the nominative case in Mt. 6:13. This usually denotes a title in the Greek. Hence Christ is saying, deliver us from “The Evil”, and is probably referring to Satan.”
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/4/1156971793-3363.html
Guess the scribe was correct in adding “one” to the text : )
Just adding to my list for reality of entity known as – satan. Posting for others that might be doing the same.
John
======= Vance:
2 Corinthians 4 (NKJV)
6
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us.
8
We are hard-pressed on every side, yet not crushed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9
persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed—
10
always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.
Psalm 44 (NKJV)
4
You are my King, O God; command [or, Who commands] victories for Jacob.
5
Through You we will push down our enemies; through Your name we will trample those who rise up against us.
Psalm 44 (NIV)
4
You are my King and my God, Who decrees victories for Jacob. [or, King, O God; / command victories for Jacob]
5
Through you we push back our enemies; through Your Name we trample our foes.
NOTE:
May we pray, wait on the Lord, fast, do whatever the Spirit of God is prompting us to do so “the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body”.
It is true that Christ is in all believers—but are the Presence, Authority, and Love Christ being seen through us?
We may not always see or know how the Lord Jesus is using us.
If we are totally surrendered and consecrated to the Lord, we will “see and follow” the Holy Spirit very closely as did the Perfect Man, the Lord Jesus, and as did the apostles in the NT.
Galatians 2 (KJV)
20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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God has decreed victories for Jacob, i.e., has commanded victories for Jacob.
May we truly enter into the GLORY of Christ so we are a living letter, a living doorway to the Glorious Presence of Christ. May we always pray for the peace of Jacob (i.e., Israel) as a nation. Israel’s enemies, no matter who, will fail.
Psalm 44 (NKJV)
7
But You have saved us from our enemies, and have put to shame those who hated us.
8
In God we boast all day long, and praise Your name forever. Selah
May we pray for the spiritual Israel as well.
Galatians 6 (NKJV)
15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
May we pray for many Arabs, as well as other Gentiles, to come to truly know the Prince of Peace.
Vance



























































This is the first time I have posted anything to this blog. I’ve been a committed follower of Christ for 15 years, and have read the Bible for more years than that, but I can’t begin to express how God is spiritually blessing me through this systematic reading of His word. And I can’t begin to tell you how much work He still has to do in me as I evaluate myself according to mirror of His truth.
Regarding the book of Job, I am reminded that as Christians we so quickly think we know what God is up to and what the answers are to the tough questions. So many times I have answered the questions of a suffering friend as Job’s friends did. Regretfully so. I think the more we grow in Christ, the less we realize we know for sure except that God’s love for us is perfect.
My husband, who grew up in a Christian home and followed Christ for many years, is now full of questions simiilar to Job’s that I don’t know how to answer. My best “answer” is to listen, support, and most importantly LOVE him.
Sometimes, the only answer is God himself. In this world of instant gratification and internet-speed answers to our searches, that’s hard to accept but vital to our faith. As Steven Curtis Chapman’s song says, “God is God, and I am not.” Thank God for that.
One final thought – may our answer be “Yes, Lord” before we even know His question. (See Isaiah 26:8)
Edie
======= Dee:
My church does home bible studies and the Psalm reading we had today stood out, Ps 43:5, why be so discouraged? Why be so sad? I put my hope and trust in God. In this economic time we are faced, it is hard to not let it affect the greatest of man, we are not supposed to be conformed of this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of the mind..whatever our finances look like, whatever our day to day life is like, we are supposed to trust in the Lord. The church is supposed to be what the “world” looks to as a standard to take and so many churches take that for granted and so many make christianity look bad, but be it unto the Lord, we as a “whole” in Christ will rise to the occassion and be world changers and raise the standard of living to that of Christ and never come up at the end of no good thing but always be the head and not the tail, above and not beneath, ambassadors to the most High God! Take care and God bless..
Dee
====== Ronald:
Praise be to God! How many of us have found salvation at the bottom of the pit we dug for someone else!
Ronald
======= Art:
Psalm 43:1
Declare me innocent, O God!
Defend me against these ungodly people,
Rescue me from these unjust liars.
David cries that if God is his judge, his acceptance of David’s conduct will be enough for him. He then could laugh at misrepresentation if his conscience knew that God was on his side.
When people are ungodly, it is no wonder that they are unjust. Those who are not true to God himself cannot be expected to deal rightly with people. We must insist upon qualities of godliness be present in our leaders.
Art
======= Chris:
Ramona,
That is an interesting idea that his friends were scared.
I think that an alternative possibility here is that his friends were worshiping a God who fit easily into the box that they had created for Him. This God was easy to understand and would only do things that make sense to him. He would bless those who followed him and curse those who didn’t. Your health and wealth were easy ways of seeing where you stood with God. This sort of theology is especially easy to embrace if you happen to be well off in the first place. It is all about Karma and you only get what you deserve. The problem is that God doesn’t work this way and there is no box which we can construct for which he is willing to play along. Unlike all other gods, he doesn’t bend to our wills. Rather, he wills as he will and we must decide to follow.
It is possible that the God of Job is a God his friends were indeed afraid to follow. The ramifications of God with this level of freedom must have been a terrifying thought to them and is perhaps the same reason many today wish to make God in their image.
Chris
======== Jocye:
Mike and everyone,
Reading Proverbs 22:9 really blesses me:
9 He who has a bountiful eye shall be blessed, for he gives of his bread to the poor. (Amplified Bible)
i wonder what “bountiful eye” means,
and read the following from salembible.org A Bountiful Eye Proverbs 22:9 –
‘A. A Bountiful Eye
A bountiful eye is a figure of speech that speaks of a person who is always watching out for the well being of others.
He keeps his eyes open for the needs of others and supplies those needs as he is able.
B. For he giveth of his bread to the poor
1. This expression further defines the “bountiful eye.”
2. He shares his bread (food; and other necessities of life) with the poor.
3. The poor: low, poor, weak, needy, helpless, insignificant’
2 Corinthians 9:6-10 (NLT)
6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop.
7 You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.”
8 And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others.
9 As the Scriptures say,
“They share freely and give generously to the poor.
Their good deeds will be remembered forever.”
10 For God is the one who provides seed for the farmer and then bread to eat. In the same way, he will provide and increase your resources and then produce a great harvest of generosity in you.
May God motivate and inspire us to give generously our time, money, the gifts and talents He gives us, our prayers, spiritual encouragement to others;
May He allow us to experience that it is true that He will provide and increase our resources,
and that He will bless the result of our generosity!
Sincerely,
Joyce
======= Pat:
Each time I read the Book of Job I’m impressed by how many times Job would like to plead his case before God. He wanted the opportunity to stand before God and declare his innocence. In other words Job wanted to argue with God instead of falling on his knees and asking God to relieve him of his suffering. It wasn’t until Job humbled himself before God that God relieved him of his suffering and restored his life to what it was before. Aren’t we guilty of being like Job many times? We have the tendency to say “Why me God?” instead of accepting the fact that we are but frail people living on a frail planet where unpleasant things just happen. Instead of questioning or blaming God we need to fall on our knees and talk with – not to – Him about what we are going through. There is a big difference in talking to someone and talking with someone. When we talk to someone we tell them what we expect, how they should do it, and when they do it. When we talk with someone we are not self-centered and we recognized the value of and respect the one we are talking with. We need to talk with God and ask Him to help us get through whatever the unpleasant thing is that we are going through.
Pat
======= Judie:
After reading Ramona’s post about Job’s friends being afraid that what happened to Job might happen to them, I had to agree. In their efforts to get Job to confess his sins, maybe they wanted to know exactly what he did to make all of his misfortunes come about so that they wouldn’t do what he did to cause such misery in their lives. This makes me think of childish behavior and that they were more concerned about their own welfare than Job’s. True friends would have offered compassion and a helping hand. Friends would have offered to pray to God with Job to ask for healing and understanding. They could have done so much more for him than they did.
This should be a strong reminder to us to not condemn people who are down and out because we don’t always know all the circumstances that brought them to where they are.
Judie
======= Ramona:
Ramona: I love your thoughts about Job’s friends being scared that this calamity could fall on them. What about ourselves? Is it not the same when we see others suffering? We try to find an answer but deep down we hope and pray it may never be us. I think the key comes from Elihu in Job 33:23: “Yet if there is an angel on his side as a mediator”. We have Jesus and in the same way Job trusted God, we can put our faith in Jesus.
Robert
======= Nancy:
My take on your saying is this: Your actions speak so loud I can’t hear a word you are saying. So important to walk our talk.
Nancy
======== Dee:
Even though the young can be wise in the Lord, Elihu didn’t know the entire story. But he was quiet and from experience he learned to listen to elders first.
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom!! Woohoo
The Lord will protect you even in your feelings. God is so good.
The generous in spirit will feed the hungry. So precious
Dee
======= John:
2Cor3
NOTES
1)Going to have to start keeping track of this – do most of the problems within the different “assemblies” have to do with outsiders or insiders?
Sure there will be persecution (later), mocking, and arguments by non-believers. But so far, in Corinth, it seems most of the issues (problems) addressed by Paul originate within the “brethren”. Is that still true today?
2) In vs. 6 Paul mentions the “new” covenant. There were options in Greek. Paul chose “kainos” meaning – “with respect to”. Not “new” from a point in time, but “with respect to” Scripture (OT).
This is not something Paul, or for that matter Jesus made up, the “new” testament is rooted in the “Old” Testamanet.
In John 3:10
“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?” NIV
Nicodemus, a learned ruling member of Pharisees, was supposed to know about “rebirth by the Spirit”. How? From the foreshadowing in Old Testament by the prophets. (Jeremiah 31:33,Ezekiel 11:19; 36:26)
3) Always glossed over the comments of Moses and Veil in 2Cor. I am guilty of always assuming the veil in Exodus was worn by Moses to protect the people of Israel. Protect them from being exposed to the brilliance of God so they would not be afraid.
Paul is saying here: Moses wore the veil so that people would not see the fading of the “glory”. Symbolically, the LAW faded in glory from the start. It was glorious in how it was given to Moses and what it represented – God’s standard for righteousness.
Over the years, as the people disobeyed the Law, added to the Law, and considered it as a set of rules (legalistic) to live by – its glory faded.
The people of Israel cannot perceive that the glory is faded from the Law. When they hear the Law read – the same veil is symbolically on their hearts – they think the “glory” is still in the Law. Jewish nation can’t see Christ’s message, because they don’t see a need. Jewish people have a system – it works for them. They perceive the system (the Law) as full of glory to this day.
Paul is speaking of Israel as a “nation”. Of course, individuals of Israel, have come to the Lord. James led an “assembly” in Jerusalem. Whe you turn to the Lord the veil is taken away, and you can see the truth. Glory is gone from the Old, which allows one to seek the “new” in Christ.
Is there a starting point and ending point to this national “veil” on Israels heart?
I believe it begins here:
Luke19:42 “..If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes.” NIV
and will end here:
Rom11:25b “…Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.” NIV
4) Thinking out loud here:
“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.” NIV
I wonder if a country that does not embrace Christ ever has a lot of (personal?) freedom. Or to the degree that a country embraces Christ – if it lessens – do (personal?) freedoms seem to diminish?
5)”And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” NIV
We are being transformed into the image of Christ (sanctification) process. The Greek verb tense of “transformed” indicates “ongoing action done to us” (Present Passive) – through the Spirit. (Makes accessing the Holy Spirit in Rom12:1-2 VERY important.) Ultimately the process will be completed in heaven.
By the way this is not true just for Christians. The secular world is also being transformed. I am not very familiar with Biblical Hebrew, but I wonder if this process is being done to them???? In Psalm 135 when talking about idols, this comment is made:
Psalm 135:18 “Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.” NIV
Pray for the unsaved, in general – and those you personally know.
John
======= Vance:
JOB 31 – JOB’S WORDS
35
“If only I had someone who would listen to me and try to see my side!”
JOB 33 – ELIHU’S WORDS
8
“You have said it in my hearing. I have heard your very words.
9
You said, `I am pure; I am innocent; I have not sinned.
It is true that Job was defending himself. It is true that we cannot overtly sin and guard our hearts as much as possible—and yet bad things can happen to us.
Yet, may we not trust in our righteousness to make us pleasing to God. Our obedience is like seeds of righteousness opening the way for God to bless us and have intimate fellowship with us.
It is so easy to judge others and be like Elihu – who judged Job. It is easy to magnify others’ sins and mistakes and ignore our own! If we need to speak to or confront someone, may we approach them in humility and truth!
GALATIANS 6
1
BRETHREN, IF any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also.
2 CORINTHIANS 3
3
“Clearly, you are a letter from Christ prepared by us. It is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on stone, but on human hearts.”
I like verse 9 in the Amplified:
9
For if the service that condemns [the ministration of doom] had glory, how infinitely more abounding in splendor and glory must be the service that makes righteous [the ministry that produces and fosters righteous living and right standing with God]!
verses 17 and 18 show the way, the challenge, of how to keep the “veil of hardness” off of our hearts, and how to grow to reflect the glory of Jesus:
(Amplified)
17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (emancipation from bondage, freedom).(D)
18
And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continued to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit.
(NIV)
17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
IN AFFLUENT AMERICA… where the TV was my second parent (being raised only by my father as my mother had left us), this is the call to me – to lay down my mind, thoughts, way, and will for Jesus’ mind, thoughts, way, and will. In particular, this means to watch less TV and spend more time in prayer.
PSALM 43
5
“Why am I discouraged? Why so sad? I will put my hope in God! I will praise him again–my Savior and my God!”
5
Why are you cast down, O my inner self? And why should you moan over me and be disquieted within me? Hope in God and wait expectantly for Him, for I shall yet praise Him, Who is the help of my [sad] countenance, and my God.
This relates directly to choosing to pray and live out this prayer:
“Lord, I give up my mind for Your mind; my thoughts for Your thoughts; my way for Your way; my will for Your way.”
It also relates to Psalm 103:1-5 (New Living Translation)
1
Praise the LORD, I tell myself;
with my whole heart, I will praise his holy name.
2
Praise the LORD, I tell myself,
and never forget the good things he does for me.
3
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.
4
He ransoms me from death
and surrounds me with love and tender mercies.
5
He fills my life with good things.
My youth is renewed like the eagle’s!
I c an—and therefore I MUST—use my will yielding to the Holy Spirit—to speak to my soul and being to yield to and worship the Lord.
I believe this is a very powerful spiritual weapon—to choose to obey whether or not it is convenient. To choose to obey and to choose to go against our own way—is the essence of the Gospel.
MATTHEW 10 (Amplified)
37
He who loves [and [n]takes more pleasure in] father or mother more than [in] Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves [and takes more pleasure in] son or daughter more than [in] Me is not worthy of Me;
38
And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me [[o]cleave steadfastly to Me, conforming wholly to My example in living and, if need be, in dying also] is not worthy of Me.
39
Whoever finds his [[p]lower] life will lose it [the higher life], and whoever loses his [lower] life on My account will find it [the higher life].
And when we feel weak and unable to choose this, we can ask for the help of the Spirit within us and the help of Jesus, like this man who needed Jesus to deliver his son:
Mark 9 (Amplified)
22
And it has often thrown him both into fire and into water, intending to kill him.
But if You can do anything, do have pity on us and help us.
23
And Jesus said, [You say to Me], If You can do anything? [Why,] all things can be (are possible) to him who believes!
24
At once the father of the boy gave [an eager, piercing, inarticulate] cry with tears, and he said, Lord, I believe! [Constantly] help my weakness of faith!
Vance
======= Vance:
Mike:
In your comment on Psalm 43, I really like the cartoon titled “Being Stalked Despite The Injection” [of TV, Radio, Movies, etc.] That is really a great cartoon!
~~~
On a different note, when I think of Job, it is amazing to me, and an encouragement to me, that he sought God with his whole heart.
He lost everything and people automatically assumed that was because “God was punishing him. As such, Job was severely criticized as being a liar when he said he loved God.
We really need to be careful with our words and in what we believe. We need to be forever freed from the lie that every bad thing that happens to someone is because God is punishing them.
Some people go through life thinking that every pain or every misfortune is God punishing them.
Yes, God is God and He has a plan, and His plan will not be thwarted. Yes, Satan rebelled against the Father in foolish, shortsighted and wicked pride.
Yet, God will even use Satan for His glory—even when Satan wants to spit in God’s eye because of foolish hatred toward God.
God does not delight in punishing people. Neither is He as is portrayed waiting with a big club in heaven to punish someone for a mistake.
Exodus 34 (NKJV)
6
And the LORD passed before him [Moses] and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,
7
keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”
Since Job’s “friends” saw the misfortune of Job and his family, they may have assumed that Job was experiencing God “visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children”.
Yet, this is God’s Name and God’s character: “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin”.
Yet, it is also true that He will “by no means [clear] the guilty”. If a man or woman is judged for their sin, they really have to consistently persist in the foolish pride of Satan to be judged.
For God longs to forgive. He is ready to forgive. Yet, He will not let the guilty be unpunished.
And if a man or woman consistently and persistently sins, he or she opens up the following generations of his or her family to sin that must be judged by the Lord.
I really like this note on Exodus 20:5 in the Spirit Filled Life Bible.
Exodus 20 (NKJV)
5
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6
but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
“It was possible for four generations to live around the aged head of the family. Because of the close ties of a patriarchal family, the influence of the patriarch, good or evil, affected all generations under his control.”
Even today—in the very mobile and dispersed American family—the influence of parents on children through their choices is huge. I heard a testimony on Focus on the Family with James Dobson of a man who spoke at Promise Keepers. He shared, when he was a boy, how his father regularly beat his mother and tormented his family.
Yes, it crucial that we spend time with the Lord! We as humans are inherently sinners, and we need God’s grace.
What God allows to happen to us is God letting Satan “do his thing” so He can judge Satan and can bring us closer to God by forming the image of Christ within us.
Eventually all choices of good and evil (including those of Satan) will be judged, and good will forever triumph in heaven.
Finally, I like what Andrew Murray says in “With Christ In The School of Prayer”:
“It is in prayer, in the exercise of the faith that I have, in fellowship with the living God, that faith can increase. Faith can only live by feeding on what is Divine, on God Himself.”
“It is in the adoring worship of God, the waiting on Him and for Him, the deep silence of soul that yields itself to God to reveal Himself, that the capacity for knowing and trusting God will be developed.”
Amen.
Vance